Ep 10. On That Demon Time, She Might Start a OnlyFans

Episode Transcript:

Miesha Williams 0:13

You can probably guess from the title that there will be some sex talk today, not the talk that your parents should have with you already, but this one is just as necessary. Now, don't let that deter you. We're still talking about money and trust me, you'll get to see how it relates. But I do have a special guest joining me today and he's from my least favorite Carolina. The accent is thick on this one. Ricky is a men's violence coordinator and he hosts the With Bernard podcast which you can find on your major streaming platforms. He does a lot of great work around exploring systems of oppression and exploring ways to dismantle them on individual and community levels. So now that that's out of the way, let's give a warm welcome to Ricky, house of Pulley second of his name, curator of viral tweets that I do steal for Facebook. This episode was created using the anchor app, a free podcast creation tool, which allows you to record directly from your phone or your computer. I'm actually recording in my car right from my phone right now. You can download the anchor app or go to anchor.fm to get started, believe me, it's the easiest way to get started with your podcast, download the anchor app today.

Ricky 1:43

Yeah, I mean, so I work primarily with men, and exploring the ways in which violence is so prevalent, particularly in like a cis hetero setting in America, and then even more specifically, as we look at things like race and so exploring violence, what it means how kind of prominent it is or the underlying ways in which it shows up. And the ways in which we can do better to dismantle the system,working towards a justice and equity for all.

Miesha Williams 2:18

I guess I'll start with a few questions that I have and that the people listening may have as well and just haven't had any one. So, first question, exactly what is sex work? What falls under that umbrella? You know, when we're on Twitter, we're talking about support sex work exactly what is it that we're supportive? And does OnnlyFans count as sex work?

Ricky 2:42

Gotcha. So sex work is the term for adults, so people who are above the age of 18 or 18 and above rather who do work and they receive money or goods in exchange for consensual sexual services, or performances. And it can be something that they do like on a regular basis, or it can be something that's done, you know, around their schedule or when they so choose so that includes everything from like, actual physical sex work, right. So actually engaging in a sexual act with someone, as well as things like porn and more content creators or sex workers going through sites like only fans, and there's a couple more that are escaping me right now. Well, yeah.

Miesha Williams 3:44

Okay, so it's safe to say that if someone is selling their nudes, you know, that still falls under this umbrella, right?

Ricky 3:52

Yeah. So that would still fall under the umbrella and we use the word or we use the term sex work opposed to prostitution because of the negative connotations that comes with a word like prostitution, but also sex work is a viable and a real line of work that deserves not only respect, but all the protections that are afforded to people doing any other type of work.

Miesha Williams 4:20

And why is it so hard for people to see sex work as a job as a profession? You know.

Ricky 4:26

Um, so I mean, from from where I sit, I think most people struggle or I won't say most people, but a lot of people struggle in acknowledging sex work as work because of the kind of ideas that we've seen around it right. So like you see on TV, or in movies, sex workers are really kind of like grungy looking walking the street probably have some sort of like addiction or whatever. So like the the attitudes and the way that it's portrayed in media. The language that goes behind it, the idea that, you know, people who are using their bodies to make money are somehow less worthy than people who are sitting at a desk all day. Um, so I think all of those things kind of play into the idea that sex work is, you know, not a viable or not a, a real line of work.

Miesha Williams 5:23

So I know my listeners at this point, they're probably wondering, Well, miesha what does this have to do with money? And Where exactly are you going with this? But when we first discussed the idea of doing this episode, I think the first question that I asked you was, and this was over a, like conversation that I had seen on social media, but why is it so hard for men to grasp the concept of paying a woman for things like onlyfans when they consume porn for free, right? So like, once you you know, you're consuming porn for free, but as soon as you add like a woman into the mix, who is now saying like, Okay, well, you know, pay me instead of, you know, watch on the site, I want the money coming to me, suddenly, it turns into this big shameful thing to do.

Ricky 6:12

Right. So I think there are a couple of reasons, right? So I think, first we have to explore masculinity. And I say masculinity, but knowing that there are multiple forms of masculinity, but if we're talking about just in regards to like, cis, gendered heterosexual men in this country, particularlymasculinity is oftentimes or has been oftentimes built upon, like the acquisition of things. So when I say the acquisition of things, right to be a man, and particularly to be like a black man, right? It means like, you got to get money, you got to get power, and then you got to get women, right, and all these things are connected. And so what I've seen oftentimes. Men have no problem consuming porn from sites like Pornhub, right? That oftentimes rips. They even rip that content from paid sites. Men have no problem consuming it because men believe that women are for acquiring right. And then so if we we move past just the formation, formation of masculinity. If we look at the politics around sex as we're taught, sex is a thing that is for men to enjoy. Right is the thing that men do to women opposed to with one. So being able to do that thing, particularly for free is fine because sex and pleasure is about men as we are taught. The idea that women would dare ask for the money do them for the work that they're doing is an issue because then it signifies like now they're getting that money, that my masculinity is built on.This is supposed to be from my pleasure. So I, I gotta pay you to please myself like nah, like that ain't gonna work. That's a problem. I think I think too though it's we we have to shift the narrative because even the paid site so right, like outside of only fans are typically run by men and men even then don't mind paying those men. Right? Oftentimes for conditions, like a lot of people don't know like when when we talk about porn specifically, the conditions on set are oftentimes like incredibly violent towards those sex workers. A lot of times they're manipulated into doing things that they don't want to do in the scenes are oftentimes cater around the male talent as opposed to like, making sure that the female talent also has a pleasurable experience. Um, so then we got to look also look at why men are okay with paying other men for access to women, and I think again, it lies in that whole that acquiring women piece, right? And how important that is to idea of masculinity.

Miesha Williams 9:11

So, I mean, personally, I say personally, I don't say all men because I know I'll have a few DM's after this. But, I mean, I think we've all seen threads. Well I won say we all I don't know what you guys watch in your free time or the type of people that you follow. But I've seen threads on Twitter, or Reddit of men who have went into these onlyfans account and have recorded or downloaded or somehow leaked the content from the women who are trying to you know, acquire money for the content that they're putting out in order for men to now enjoy it for free. So it's not that they just don't, you know, it's kind of like they shame you into, like, they shame you for doing it. But also they want to leak what you're putting out to other men can enjoy for free. So it's not really is it really the act of doing it that's the issue or just the women being paid for it.

Ricky 10:01

Again, we know very clearly that the issue is not only women getting paid for it, but women. So like women demanding that you pay them directly for it. Right? That's the issue that a lot of men seem to have was something like onlyfans, but it's interesting that you bring that up that like, man, would go in record or however they would do it. Like, leak the content on like someone's onlyfans or paid site or whatever. I find that interesting, because oftentimes, these are the same, men that will say stuff. And they're first like, they'll say something and then they'll like, yell out, no homo, or whatever right to like signify like, Oh, I'm not gay, which is always like a really weird thought to me, because, like, why is where Well, your mind automatically went to but then on top of that, these men are leaking this content for the pleasure of other men. With the hopes that these other men will be able to enjoy these women's bodies, right? And so what we call that as homoeroticism, right, like you're literally living vicariously through the penis of other men. What they do, then somehow brings you some satisfaction, some pleasure, because you got over on somebody. So it's just a really interesting cycle that we participate in as men.

Miesha Williams 11:22

Okay, so we're like, we're saying this does happen. But for the people who are listening, and I do actually do have like a good amount of guys that listen to the show, like, what are we now saying to them? Like, was it important to make sure you know that this isn't happening, that they aren't participating in these kind of acts? And why is it so important for these women to you know, get paid?

Ricky 11:44

Right. So I think First things first, if we look at the porn industry in general, right, or mainstream porn, not particularly safe, or spaces that are free of harm, right, like I talked earlier about the manipulation and women being coerced into doing things that they didn't necessarily show up to work to do, right? Like it would be the equivalent to me showing up to work, and my boss wants me to now, like, fix everybody's computers. That's not what you know what I mean, like, that's not, that's not what I get paid to do. That's not what I showed up with the intent to do at work because that's not my skill set. So I think first things first is like addressing mainstream porn, which is what you see on a lot of these tube sites like Pornhub. And recognizing that that is oftentimes, porn that has been created in very unsafe or unhealthy environments, particularly for the female talent. So then it says, so then from there, we move to well, does that mean to not consume porn at all or consume any sort of sex work and that's not what I'm saying anyway, right. But let's figure out the ways in which we can be most ethical and reduce the amount of harm to these people who are engaging in this sort of work, and so we move into a space of what we call ethical porn, right or more ethical porn where the work spaces are safer, where you see a, I guess a wide scale of like body types, right? Because it's important. If we're watching sex, it's important for people to be able to see themselves and to be able to see themselves in positive lights, right. So not seeing themselves as like less than, or now seeing themselves like fetishized but seeing that they're human and they are allowed to enjoy sex. So you see a wide range of body types. You see a wide range of gender identities or expressions, you see a wide range of sexual sexualities. And you see a wide range of sexual activities, which is more what like or it is more like what people actually do in their real lives. And so, if we're moving into more ethical porn practices, it's important for us not only to make them safer in regards to the work environment, but also make sure people are getting paid equitably. Right. And so, when you have these mainstream porn companies were taking in, like an insane amount of money off the top compared to what they're paying the talent. When we shift to spaces like only fans, where people get to create not only create, but like distribute their own content. We are letting them set the price for the work that they do. And paying them what they ask for, which I think most people would say is a thing they want to see across industries.

Miesha Williams 14:43

I think another thing that I see that I wanted to touch on real quick and I might be moving a little bit away from you know, your professionalism that you have so kindly graced us with today. But a lot of times I've seen men say this thing where they're just like, well, you know. Their excuse for shaming women for using this type of work, you know, as an income, is that, you know, well your body won't last forever, you know, what are you going to do after you get older you know, people aren't buying this forever, you need something real to fall back on. But like, we aren't telling men who are like 40 with a SoundCloud that gets no streams, the same thing and I'm not saying that we should start telling them that. But you know, like, we're still like, given them all the freedom in the world, no matter how old they get to creatively put out whatever they want to put out. Then, why when it comes to the female body we're like, Oh, you know, that's not gonna last forever. In reality, if they're receiving money from this right now, whatever and they getting income from this as long as they're putting money away. And girl I'll tell you, if you have onlyfans right now, and you are making that bank right now, open up a Roth IRA and put your little $250 every two weeks in there and you, you'll be good.

Ricky 15:59

So first things first, right now, if you've got a onlyfans, based on some stuff I've read recently about onlyfans and tax evasion, you might want to go ahead and take all of that out right now and put it in your IRA. But the question you asked was like, why is that the excuse we use about their bodies is really interesting. So, to me, it's like a couple of things. First, the idea that people as they get older, they no longer have sex. And I think most of us know that to be like, untrue. Especially like when your granddaddy got a whole nother family. Like, you know, good and well, he was still sticking a moving as he got older. Right?

Miesha Williams 16:40

My granddaddy was definitely sticking and moving.

Ricky 16:43

Mine too. Right? So like it so it's not a thing that necessarily goes away with with age. On the flip side of that, we never talk about men and sex work in their age, right? Because we attach ideas of beauty and and attractiveness to women based on the younger ages. So we believe that women lose something as they get older. On the flip side of that, we tend to believe that men as long as they stay in shape, get better as they get older. Right? So like, you know, you seen it on like Twitter, the the old dudes with the salt and pepper beards, like, folks go crazy for that. Right? Um, so you have the idea that, you know, as you get older, sex is less of a thing that you desire. You don't put the same restrictions on men and sex work. But it's also funny, like when you bring up the SoundCloud thing, right? I don't hear many dudes ever tell somebody like Yo, you who and I know you are like extra good right now. But your body's gonna deteriorate. Right? By 30 or you play football by 30-35 like you probably not gonna be able to do this no more, what else are you gonna do? The idea is that these women are acting outside of what it means to be a woman. Or to be a good woman. Right? So then we need to figure out the ways in which we can best get them back in line. But it's wild because these are the same dudes who want nudes. Right? Like the difference between like someone that you're messing with or whatever sending you nudes and and onlyfans is that this person is saying, I don't know you pay me if you want to see this. So it's just it's another way to make sure that we keep women in line to make sure that we control the narrative because it to me anyway, it's very similar to, to black people in this country, right. Like if black people wanted to get even, it would be like a real problem. But the fact that black people is just asking for equality or equity and justice. Has people on the other side like absolutely losing their mind. This the same thing with men. Right? If women wanted to get even, we would be in trouble. We would be in real trouble. But women are literally asking like, treat me like a human being afford me the same grace and dignity that you do men. And men are like, Oh my goodness, you want me to? You want me to treat you like a human?

Miesha Williams 19:29

They're like sweetheart you're asking for too much.

Ricky 19:31

Way too much like goodness gracious like at this point, you might as well just rob me.

Miesha Williams 19:37

So like, it's just really interesting to me, because you'll see like, men, they obviously they want to have. I mean not all men, but they want to have sex with women, but they don't want women to have sex. I don't even know how to break it down. Like you want to have sex with women, but you don't like women to enjoy having sex. You want to watch porn, but you don't want a woman to make the porn. Like I'm. Who is supposed to be creating all this stuff for you, if the women can't do it. Like, they always, like threaten us with like, oh, how is someone gonna see you worthy as being a wife like, huh?

Ricky 20:13 Right. So all that you said, I think it ties back perfectly to what you talk about every week, right? In regards to like money, but I think less about dollar amount here, or like the actual dollar bill and more about viewing sex as currency. And so men have the idea, again, that sex is a thing you do to women and not with women. And we're talking clearly here in like a very hetero normative sense, right? We understand that, like, men have sex with more than just women, but we're talking about heterosexual relationships. So sex is a thing that is done to women opposed to with women. And so a good sexual partner for most men, I would say, for most men, a good sexual partner in a woman is somebody who just does what they say. And has their pleasure, like the man's pleasure in mind. So now you have two people in this mutual what is supposed to be a mutual exchange?

Miesha Williams 21:16

This sounds like slavery.

Ricky 21:20

I mean, you said it, not me. So you have these two people who are supposed to be in a mutual exchange of pleasure and satisfaction, but both people are only focused on one person, right? So very unbalanced scale, or whatever. And so then, we move into the idea that like, well, if you do this kind of work, then how is somebody going to see you as a wife? Again, this idea that women want to be married, right, like the idea that that every woman end goal is to be married to someone at some point, when we know that's just not the reality, right, like we know, based upon studies that like the happiest population is like unmarried women, unmarried, like women in their 40s. But generally speaking, they're the happiest demographic of people. So this idea that, like that marriage is the goal. But again, I think it ties back to a day when men had to pay some sort of fee in order to marry someone's daughter because she was seen as property opposed to a person. So moving into a human centered ideology, a human centered ethic and ethos. Men have a real issue with the idea that women exists independent of men and they do things for themselves, whether it be to make money, whether it be for their own satisfaction, whether it be for their own pleasure, whatever the case, the idea that women could do that independent of men is a thing that men haven't moved pass.

Miesha Williams 23:01

But a lot of women feed into this as well like you won't even believe how many times like I've been talking to another woman and they are like thoroughly confused at the fact that I don't base like my entire existence off of whether or not a man is gonna find me attractive like I do not care and for a lot of women that does not sit right with them especially when it comes to like this you know, the whole onlyfans situation and then you have women who feel like it's their duty to get on Facebook and tell the whole world that they don't have a onlyfans like girl nobody asked you to make one. So, you know, like, obviously this is the mens fault, right? Obviously this is the mens fault that women think like this. But they so lost I just want to rein them in like come on girl come over here to the other side it's lit over here.

Ricky 23:51

We guess next in the back. I think it's interesting you said so of course we know that patriarchy masculinity systems that were created mysoginy systems are created to benefit men. But what they also reinforce, or they tell women is that if you play along with it, you will reap the rewards or the benefits of being attached to this man. So, you know, when it's hopping on social media and tell everybody that you don't have onlyfans it's so that men can see you as good. And like, this is where the term pick me comes from, right so that men can see you as good and then choose you. So that you can reap the benefits of falling in line. And it's like, you, you may think that you're reaping some benefits, right? With any system when you attempt to step out of line or you find yourself like, for some strange reason not following, all the norms of the system it's gonna chew you up and spit you out. So it's only there's gonna be only so long before you know, this propping yourself up propping yourself up as the good woman is gonna come back in and literally bite you in the butt because the system is going to turn on you at some point like I guarantee you it will if you live long enough so it's a sham this idea this idea that we've created that says you know, you fall in line and you get all the good that comes with it and it usually doesn't work out that way.

Miesha Williams 25:29

So this next little thing I have to say I actually stole this from you. But it was something that you said along the lines of a lot of times these women and they feel like they spent their whole lives like doing things the right way. So to you know go so long doing things the right way and still have men not choosing them is what makes them like so vocal about like, you know, like the need to try to tear other woman down for doing things the other way and you know still receiving the, you know, attraction that they get from men. And I mean, it's not like that a prize, like, men are pretty easy,

Ricky 26:07

Right? Like, I used to joke when I was coming up that, um, as long as you had a workout heartbeat like, men don't care, right? Like, men literally are easy. Like the jokes on Twitter and stuff are always like funny because they're literally rooted in the truth. And so, yeah, like the idea that, you know, hey, I've worked so hard to stay in line. I did all of this, right. Like I bought into the idea of virginity. I bought into the idea of being pure. You know, I don't curse I don't drink. I don't do this. I don't do that. I did all the things. I stayed the straight and narrow. I'm doing right. I'm going to work every day. And I still don't have what these women who are doing making their own choices and not abiding by the system. I still don't have what they have right and it's like how in the hell did I get here? Like I did it I stayed in line I've been on the the the course the entire time and they still at the finish line before me but the difference is the women who make their own choices first of all like they're making their own choices, but oftentimes the men that you are like fighting to position yourself towards are paying them right

Miesha Williams 27:26

that's the tea right there

Ricky 27:29

like they they buying they content right like I think it was Ruby Rose a couple of weeks ago posted a picture on Instagram took the same picture like edited it to make it look like there was like something hidden right like or like she was possibly here and this other person will like possibly naked put it on onlyfans and made like $300,000 that night.

Miesha Williams 27:53

How much? $300,000 that night?

Ricky 27:55

Like something

Miesha Williams 27:56
like I don't know is you an ambassador, cause you're kinda selling me.

Ricky 28:02

I mean like something stupid but like literally the same man, these women who are like, I don't do this, I'm, I'm a wife, I'm not a da da da da, right? Like, these are the same men that they're fighting for. And these men coughed up $300,000 in a night to see the exact same picture when they got on onlyfans. Like the exact same picture she put on Instagram. Men can't be the prize like, right like you, it's not to be selfish, but like, you got to see yourself as your own prize, the best version of you, because in this system, men are fickle, and they're going to spend our money where pleasure lies, right like, how you think strip clubs stay open?

Miesha Williams 28:42

So you know, like, supposedly these men that you are trying so hard to impress, you know, because they don't see the value of these women but yet they're still going to strip clubs and still buying the content. They still watching porn so like.

Ricky 28:56

All of it they do it, they doing it. They're a little bit giving these women who they claim to not respect in many ways, their money. And you're the one who they respect. You going to work every day, but he ain't got no money because he's giving it all up to the person who quote unquote doesn't respect it makes no sense.

Miesha Williams 29:14

It really doesn't. I mean, from personal experience I've had men try to use me to break down other women and I check that really quickly. Men will really slide into your DM's and they're like, Oh, well, you're this or that because they see me like, they see the things I talk about on here, they see the things that I talked about with social media, or, you know, like my level of education. And this is like, okay, that's fine, but don't try to compare me to somebody else. Just because we may, you know, we had different paths and we made different choices, because at the end of the day, yeah, like, I'm in a doctoral program, but I still shake my ass.

Ricky 29:50

Yeah nah, like it is. It's wild. It's one of the like, the oldest tricks of misogyny is like, hey, let me, let me build you up by tearing her down. Right? And if if the only way you can build someone is by tearing somebody else down, you're not really doing no building. Right? Like you,in my mind anyway, you're not doing any real building, you're not really fostering and caring about that person. Your sole interest is to like find a way to tear somebody else down and if you don't care about them and what what it is that they do. Why would you waste that energy when you could be putting it into like the person that you're approaching? Or you're attempting to get at or whatever. So it doesn't make sense, man and, guys, absolutely hate when women do that to them.

Miesha Williams 30:41

yeah.

Ricky Pulley 30:41

Like you slide into a dudes dm. And you like, Damn, like, I like you because you ain't out here like future like really get money like that. I like my niggas broke, he would lose his mind.

Miesha Williams 30:53

Yeah. Hold up, hold up, hold up. I would want to try that on somebody.You know what, I might actually start responding to DM's just so I could use that line.

Ricky Pulley 31:05 Right, he would absolutely lose his mind. right or, you know, I like you because you know, you ain't you ain't whatever the you know, this other guy is doing and they would absolutely lose their mind at the idea that you would tear them down to build somebody else up or vice versa.

Miesha Williams 31:26

Okay, so like for all the women listening right now, your homework today, the next time a guy slides into your DMS I want you to respond with that like you know what, I do be like my niggas broke.

Ricky 31:38

Nah, you gotta have me back just so I could hear, I just need to hear the response on that one.

Miesha Williams 31:43 So I think like that the thing that you said though that really stuck with me is like why, wait, even waste the energy when you could be putting that energy into someone that you're interested in? Like, why are we spending so much time like trying to break down the people who are you know, decided to do this. Because it's like, you know what? We don't need everybody sitting on Facebook every day talking about how they don't date women were onlyfans or how they wouldn't have onlyfans like nobody asked y'all that like, that's, that's fine. If that's not your cup of tea, Fine, whatever. But like, what is this whole point of being so vocal about it, whatever to try to make other people feel bad about it. Some of us don't like men that don't have Roth IRAs. So we just don't take them. I mean, you don't hear me on hereshaming them daily. But you know?

Ricky 32:24

Like I again, I think it ties back to the whole idea that like, this is not a real line of work because it's an easy thing to do. And if it was so easy to do, more people would do it right. I don't think people oftentimes understand the amount of skill and athleticism that goes into something like pole work or pole dancing.

Miesha Williams 32:44

OMG Yes.

Ricky 32:45

Like that joint is not easy, right? Like, like not even like necessarily to do tricks, but like just trying to like pull yourself up on a pole is not an easy task at all. Right? So the idea, it's like not real work or the idea that like, Oh, you just get off, you know, you take your clothes off and put these pictures out there online. Most people well, I would venture to say a lot of people have some insecurities one way or another about their bodies, right? And so, to some degree, we all like, you know, shade or try to keep some things about our body kind of to ourselves because it's things that we wish were different or quote unquote better. So to, to like literally be so confident or able to like, move past your insecurities to put yourself out there where anybody can see you is like courage that most people don't have in that sense and it's perfectly okay like everything ain't for everybody. But this idea that it takes less skill, the idea that it takes less courage than getting up and going everyday to office job is completely untrue. But it takes a lot of courage. It takes a lot of skill, it takes a lot of strength to not only do the work, but to remain in the work, when you have people who are so rude and so nasty to you, and you've done nothing to them.

Miesha Williams 34:15

Right, let's let's touch on that though. Because like a lot of the people who post that they would never do it. It's kind of just like, girl you don't even have half the confidence that it would take to do it. So like, Who are you? Who are you kidding?

Ricky 34:27

Listen? I will never ever, ever, ever, get up and shit on doctors, right? Like man that's so easy to do that. I don't have. I don't have a stomach to be able to cut people. You know what I mean, like I'm, I'm not the type of person that could see blood regularly and be okay. I understand that that's somebody else's lane and I let them do it. It doesn't impact me at all right. So like, you don't have the courage, but it's perfectly Okay, like we all got stuff, let them do what works for them and you keep doing what works for you. So if you you know, if you like your dudes and broke, you keep doing that. that is your, as my boy Bobby Brown would say that is absolutely your prerogative.

Miesha Williams 35:23

You know, this is good and I am glad that we had you on here today to come and clear some stuff up for the people, for the folks that sit and listen to me.

Ricky 35:34

Listen, I appreciate being on here. And now I got to return the favor and have you on With Bernard at some point.

Miesha Williams 35:43

I don't think that they ready for that yet.

Ricky 35:45

Come talk to the folks about money, come talk to them about about acorns and whatever else. I don't know what to do. I just every time you post to the move $25 into yours savings account. That's all, I know how to do that. But that's about the breadth of my money knowledge.

Miesha Williams 36:07

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